Trading or Gambling ?


Master Trader
Apr 3, 2014
Bournemouth UK
I have never traded the Forex market with lots and living in the UK have Spreadbet from day one - Why pay taxes if you don't have to - Thank you Gordon Brown :)

If this means I am a Gambler and NOT a Trader - so be it - But I like to think of it as educated gambling with all the indicators now available.

At the outset I used to believe that Trading and Spreadbetting were the same just GBP instead of Lots and it was some time before I realised they are NOT the same - similar yes BUT different.

Trading is all about working with risk . . . Gambling is Win or Lose and not thinking about What if.

It's about percentages . . . Big Wins and Small Losses and compounding your bets

“Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it ... he who doesn't ... pays it.” Albert Einstein

You can open a Spreadbetting account with as little as £20 and place a £0.10 bet Then once your balance has reached £40 then you can place a £0.20 bet . . . £60 = £0.30 etc etc and thats just on 0.5% of the balance. Don't Be Greedy - The #1 reason why so many fail !!!

Why am I not a Billionaire . . . good question . . . unfortunately I don't obey my own rules :(

But I'm getting there

The maximum bet size is normally £100 (subject to available margin) multiplied by 20 pips equals 2 grand in your pocket TAX FREE


Don't think of a £100 / pip being a lot of money . . . it's no different to £1.00 / pip . . . 1%

The total Profit and Drawings shown are over a 12 month period

At the time of writing I have just watched the DAX move 95 points - H'mmm

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Master Trader
Apr 3, 2014
Bournemouth UK
You may or may not be wondering about my chart - I watch the OHLC but trade of Renko - each Brick is worth 5 points. The lower indicator "bbsqueeze" is working rather well with my current set up :)

The white arrows on my Renko chart are part of an EA I am currently still developing


I am also using Keltner Channel and Heiken Ashi MA over the top of the standard Heiken Ashi on my OHLC charts.

The Magenta dots on the BBSqueeze centre line are when the market is squeezed and a big move is imminent - the more TF's they are showing on the bigger the move.


Master Trader
Apr 3, 2014
Bournemouth UK
If you was only able to start with £20 (the absolute minimum) it would only take you another two weeks before you was betting a pound a point :)

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OR . . . you could take 20 @ London open then another 20 @ New York open . . . With only 20 quid at stake you can afford to take more risks initially BUT once your bankroll reaches four figures I strongly suggest being more careful ;) Don't let greed take over :( - the surefire way to losses !

Because you built up your account from £20 that's the most you could EVER lose - apart from profits - which is NOT your hard earned moolah anyway !


Master Trader
Apr 3, 2014
Bournemouth UK
Reasons why Compounding Interest is the 8th Wonder of the World

The words compounding interest are two of the most powerful in the investing world.


1. Compounding interest is the great equalizer.

Compounding interest doesn’t care if you are black, white, asian, gay, lesbian, woman, man or child. Compounding interest affects everyone the same, because it depends on time.

If you ask any person older than you what they wish they had more of, chances are they will tell you they wish they had more time.

Time is truly a wonderful thing, and it’s something we all share in common. Compounding interest works its magic because of this. It is a universal truth.

2. Compounding interest utilizes momentum.

Have you ever wondered at what makes an avalanche so powerful? A force so massive actually starts from a very small place. Before an avalanche can smash trees and break legs, it needed to become a snowball first, and a piece of snow before that.

Every great force you see in our world didn’t always begin that way. A small piece of snow becomes an avalanche by first becoming a snowball. At first, the amount of force and energy to create a snowball must be great. Snow needs to be continually added, with an almost intense effort.

But once the snowball is built? Then you can roll it down a hill, and it will naturally do the work for you, until one day it is an unstoppable force.

Your wealth works the exact same way. The work you need to do in the beginning is often very painful and tiring. But once your wealth snowball is built, then your wealth naturally attracts more wealth. Then the power of compounding interest can work in your favor.

Just as a snowball compounds and grows, so can your wealth.

3. Compounding interest can create millionaires from average people.

The tired and overused excuse I hear over and over is that people think they don’t have enough money to make good money in the stock market. The truth is you don’t need that much!

Compounding interest can make you a millionaire, especially if you are young! Take the median income in the United States today: $50,000 a year. Now the average 25 year old making $50,000 a year would only need to save and invest 10% and would have a staggering $2,434,221 at 65 !

This is just assuming conservative 10% returns in the stock market, and assuming he never gets a raise. The real results could be much greater!

The possibility of this is all due to compounding interest. By investing in companies that are growing– thus paying out increasingly more cash to shareholders, an initial investment could multiply many times over in the course of a long time span. Don’t underestimate this power.

4. Compounding interest teaches you patience.

Why is compounding interest a greater teacher of patience? Well for one, you don’t see results overnight. In fact, compounding interest is actually pretty boring, it can be like watching paint dry.

Compounding interest at its core is best served by conservative investing. Someone who chases speculative and very trendy stocks won’t see the power of compounding interest. How can you when your capital moves up and down wildly, growing fast and then crashing hard to remove all your gains?

An investor whose primary concern is compounding interest will instead look for the company that is growing slowly and surely. Like the tortoise who plods along at a painstakingly slow pace, an intelligent conservative investment will beat out any high flying “trend / technology” stock of the day. Time and time again.

5. Compounding interest lets you sleep good at night.

What do the wealthiest and wisest investors have in common? They are always smiling, because they are making money every second of the day.

That’s the power of compounding interest. Nothing can stop it from growing. As long as an investment is paying you interest, you can keep smiling at night, because you know that time is your ally. The longer time goes, the richer you get!

Because as time goes on you will keep collecting interest. As time goes on, you can reinvest that interest and get more interest. Voila! You have compounding interest.

Take this quote from the Oracle from Omaha himself, Warren Buffet:

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“I always knew I was going to be rich, so I was never in a hurry to”.

6. Compounding interest is your friend if you are poor.

Rich people don’t have any bigger advantage in the market than poor people do. My $500 in the market has just as much of a chance at making 10% returns as George Soro’s $500 million. Sure he may have more opportunities than I do, but in any stock market security– pound for pound– we have an equal shot.

So what if you are poor, penniless, and inexperienced? Are you hearing me Millennials? We have the biggest advantage of them all– and that’s time!

The kind of time that young people have today to compound their investments makes old hedge fund cats salivate. That’s why they are looking for the fountain of wealth. Will they find it in botox? Only time will tell, but the same is true with your investments. Only time will tell if you are smart enough today to put some money to work.

7. Compounding interest teaches and rewards discipline.

One of the best pieces of advice my mentor gave me when I first started investing was simply this: “Invest the same amount every month.”

There’s actually a name for this strategy. It’s called Dollar Cost Averaging. It’s so effective because not only does it teach you discipline and good habits, but it prevents you from making stupid mistakes in the stock market.

You can’t expect to time the market. That’s just a fact. The market is massive, facilitating trillions of dollars a second into and out of securities, futures, and commodities. Your guess at what it’s going to do next is as good as the next guys. Until you find someone that can predict the future, you’re just going to have to face the fact that you won’t be able to time the market.

And that’s ok. That’s why you must employ a system like Dollar Cost Averaging. When you decide to put the same amount of money into the market every month, you automatically buy less when the market is up and buy more when it’s down. It’s classic buy low, sell high. By doing this you resist being greedy when everyone else is greedy, which results in losing your shirt.

Compounding interest is best pursued when you are dollar cost averaging. Use this system to your advantage.

8. Compounding interest separates the rich from the broke.

The great Albert Einstein once said “Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it … he who doesn’t … pays it.”

When’s the last time you saw a high interest credit card balance move much lower after making a payment? When you get into high interest debt, you are now fighting against the inevitable force of compounding interest.

Why fight up a hill when you can instead run down it?

While everybody might know that interest is bad, only a few people decide to do something about it. And if I can be quite frank, it’s why broke people are broke and rich people are rich.

Nobody makes a real fortune overnight, and nobody goes broke in one night either. The exceptions to the rule regress back to where they should be over time. That’s why lottery winners often end up broke years later.

It’s the habits that you live with which define your wealth. If your spending habits cause you to fight against interest, you’re going to fight that fight the rest of your life. And sorry but, you’ll never be rich.

However, if your habits create interest for you, then just sit back and relax. You will one day be rich, you just have to let compounding interest do the work for you.

9. Compounding interest can save our kids’ generation.

Let’s face it. Our generation isn’t very good at giving future generations a leg up in this world. It’s always been this way. I mean how big a mess has our parents’ generation left us?

It saddens me to see such disregard for the future. Everyday, we have people who live in a mindset of scarcity instead of abundance. People who are destroyers instead of creators. This isn’t the world I want my daughter to grow up in.

What if we lived in a world where everybody took responsibility for their finances? What if we all decided to kick our debt habits, and build wealth for our family and future generations?

If $5,000 a year can turn into $2.4 million in 40 years, imagine what it would do in 60. It would be $16,691,244, which is of course outlandish. Nobody has that kind of money to save for their kids. But what if we saved just a little bit for them. Like $500 a year. In 65 years, it could grow to $2,691,112.

What if we did this for our kids, and they did it for theirs? The wealth could compound, until the whole world was living with financial freedom. It starts with one person, but could later affect many.

Really, it starts with YOU.

If YOU want more wealth and abundance in this world, be the change.

I believe in YOU, my fellow freedom fighter, because I know YOU can make a difference.

If YOU have been reading all the way through, YOU are already better than 90% of the world.

Why can’t YOU take the 8th wonder of the world and do something great with it?

YOU can, and that’s why I believe . . .

YOU can make compounding interest work for YOU.

So why don’t YOU then - What's stopping YOU ?


Master Trader
Apr 3, 2014
Bournemouth UK
Nobody really needs £2,000.00 pounds a day in their wallet . . . interest rates are crap at the moment . . . So open another account in tandem and be betting £200 / point . . . etc, etc, etc :)


Master Trader
Apr 3, 2014
Bournemouth UK
Agreed I am all talk at the moment . . . My way of convincing myself to follow my own rules :(

It's NOT rocket science !


Mankinds biggest fault !



Nov 15, 2015
Yes often if trade with greedy this will only killing account shortly, I am already proven if trade with higher risk in trading will making stress and full tension and end with loss or in fatal mistake is get margin call account


Mar 18, 2019
Are there any good courses where I can learn spread betting?
Spread betting is just a tax efficient way of trading.

The market conditions might differ, spread, slippage, DMA, etc. But price action and charts are the same.

So you learn to trade, then once learned, you choose to spread bet, to not pay tax.
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Nov 14, 2022
Forex trading is distinct from gambling when approached with knowledge, strategy, and risk management. Trading involves analyzing market trends, understanding economic factors, and making informed decisions. Gambling, on the other hand, relies more on chance. While there's risk in both, a well-informed trader aims to minimize risks through research and strategy, setting it apart from a pure game of chance.